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- From: sschaem@teleport.com (Stephan Schaem)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer
- Subject: Re: AB3D II beats Quake....
- Date: 3 Apr 1996 19:53:30 GMT
- Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016
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- John Hendrikx (john.hendrikx@grafix.xs4all.nl) wrote:
- : In a message of 28 Mar 96 Stephan Schaem wrote to All:
-
- : >> On CISC, it's not possible, because opcode are not 32 bit aligned. This
- : >> means that before decoding intstruction i, you must decode instructions 0
- : >> to i-1.
-
- : SS> Thats not a problem really... x86 nowdays have a risc core and decode
- : SS> the x86 'language'. I heard that maybe 18% of the P6 is actually
- : SS> x86 related the rest is just risc design.
-
- : Actually I heard that the P6 just decodes EVERYTHING which might be an x86
- : instruction and if it later turns out that it actually wasn't a real
- : instruction (because an earlier instruction was longer than 1 byte) it just
- : discards the results of the fake instructions. That's wasting an incredible
- : amount of power.
-
- I cant comment, I dont know how the P6 handle its instruction stream.
-
- : >> This way RISC can also implement powerful branch prediction, which tend
- : >> to add no overhead whether the branch is taken or not. Such prediction
- : >> technology are not usable in CISC ; using them would mean adding thousand
- : >> of transistors that could be used to speed up other instructions.
-
- : SS> The P6 seem to show that cisc with alot of effort can perform pretty
- : SS> well.
-
- : Sure, but I bet it costs Intel more than 10 times as much money to get the P6
- : to perform as well as the PPC604. Just think of what the PPC604 could have
- : been with 10 times as large a budget. Also I think integrating a huge cache on
- : the chip had a LOT more to do with the current performance of the P6 (and of
- : course the usual overinflated Intel specmarks).
-
- Yes, it seem intel prefere making x86 with its manfacturing power:) I
- will just speculate that IBM will make x86 chip then PPC chip this year...
- Intel is droping the large cache of the P6 for the P7....
- Also IBM will not support OS2 on PPC... dont this show something?
-
- Just curios... is there anyone to check specmark95 to confirm a compagnie
- claim?
-
- : >> >Intel is not dumb, they said 3 years ago what I understood nowadays.
- : >> >Time for other people to understand it as well. >
- : >> Intel is producing mass CPU, not clever CPU. I'm much more interested in
- : >> work and advices from HP, MIPS, ...
-
- : SS> Intel also design advance risc that even SGI used for high end
- : SS> geometry engine. HP also use intel risc in mass quatity. Intel
- : SS> is not stupid and has ALOT of resource to take crap design like
- : SS> the x86 and turn it around to be a performer.
-
- : Performer? Why not divide the 'performance' by the price-tag and compare it
- : with other chips.
-
- For floating point the P6 is not the best choice... but for integer
- operation is not bad for 1000$. Isn't the Dec alpha in 3000$ a chip?
- If you want price performance you would probably get a 133mhz x586 for
- 80$ or less ?
-
- Stephan
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